Welcome to the Adaptive Mindset. I'm Brett Gallant, cybersecurity thought leader and founder of Adaptive Office Solutions. Here, we don't just talk tech, we unlock the strategies, stories, and mindset shifts you need to stay secure, lead boldly, and thrive in a digital world. Let's get started. Welcome back to the Adaptive Mindset. I'm really pleased to have Nathan Hoffman with me today. Nathan is an amazing gentleman. He helps observant Jews with their personal and professional lives, making changes with people and impacting them every day, every hour, and being an incredible gift to his clients. It's a real pleasure to have you here, Nathan. Thank you.

Brett Gallant

Thanks, Brett. Appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

Nathan (Nachman) Hoffman

Love it. Um, so we talk about all kinds of things, mindset, but we also go into so many different areas and it's fun. Uh, and I like to just hear a little bit about your personal journey and where you've had shifts in mindset and, and things that you may be able to pass along to our audience. Love to hear your story.

Brett Gallant

Sure. So I'll give you the, obviously the short version, but basically I grew up in on the East coast in Maryland. I spent the first, I'd say, about 30 years of my life there. I grew up secular, not observant, no real Jewish background besides, you could say, kind of like the typical secular background where you observe a few of the big holidays, kind of, and, you know, Hanukkah where you get gifts. And that was really it. I was also, I got bar mitzvahed, but it was more of like a formality, you know, like, This is what we do. We get bar mitzvah at 13 and then you have a big party. And then that's, that was kind of the end of my, I would say ish of my Jewish learning at that point. And, um, so I always wanted to get into business and in high school, I took a accounting course and I really love to see, I love what I loved about numbers is that it's exact, you know, and like, And when I was, you know, going through like bookkeeping and seeing how things just worked out, I was like, okay, maybe I should get into accounting because I want to start a business and didn't know what I want to start it. And so I went into the accounting to get the biggest business background. And, um, I started it at E&Y, the work there for six years, Ernst & Young, um, did four years in audit and two years in mergers and acquisitions. And then as I was going through that journey, I also was trying to figure out what kind of business I wanted to start, really had no idea. And so I just kept asking some questions, really, you know, figuring things out. And on that journey, I also started to become really healthy. As a buddy, I got a comment from a family member that my face slid out, basically meaning you got fat and right after college, and it really bothered me. So 30 days, I went extremely hard. I lost 30 pounds. I was in really good shape right away. And I started to feel really good. And then I was like, oh, maybe this is something I should get into. And when I was at Ernst & Young, I helped people lose weight. Then all of a sudden, some people started telling me how it impacted them. And I was like, oh, this is amazing. I want to help people then get healthy. And so this is why I was at E&Y. And then I left E&Y to help a company go public. And then I decided I was going to get into the personal growth arena because I loved everything personal growth. And I realized after health, once I started helping people get healthy, they started to go backwards again. I was like, what is going on? Like you got in great shape, you're looking good. And then you start to go back. Why? And so I read a book, Man's Search for Meaning, you know, very, very famous book. And then I was like, oh, it's all about meaning. And then, you know, I went through this whole thing and I, you know, cause I went through the process, the same journey. I went for more money, cars, all these things. And it just wasn't giving me what I expected to give me. And then I went searching all like religions and Buddhism and meditation and all these things to try to figure out what I'm here to do. And then to make, again, just making the shortest version I could make, I left this company after they went public or they filed the public document and started my own journey with personal growth and started the company in personal growth. I sold it, which was, it sounds very good, but it was basically for equity. I'm still gonna see if that ever works in the future, but I did that. And then I got married and so I, Then kind of bumped into religion. Someone told me about a book they're doing and it's all about spiritual growth. And I was like, yeah, I love growing and getting better. So why not learn it? And I started to learn it and I was blown away. Like this is Judaism. Cause like, I had no idea what it was. And so then slowly, slowly I started to learn more and more. And from that point on, I, you know, as I think you can see the beard is not something I normally had. Yeah, you can see the picture right over here. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. There you are. Yes.

Yeah. And so then I learned about Judaism and I was just blown away because when it comes to personal growth, I mean, Judaism, everything matters. So it's like everything, like everything you eat, you have to say a prayer for everything. After you finish eating, you say a prayer after. Well, it's like it's really, really intentional. And so. So, yeah, I got married and then we moved to Israel. I became a CEO of a $30 million project that a company was putting together, a culinary institute. And basically I put that whole thing together. I put it together, strategy, worked with a lot of different people, have it basically set to go and then decided I just, I needed a change with, I don't know, I'm sure you are aware, but there was a lot going on in the last year and a half or so here in Israel with the war. And so I needed, I needed a change. I worked on it for five and a half years almost, and really wanted to work on something that Now I really wanted to put everything into it and that's where I'm at basically now. That's the shortest version I can give you.

Something that gives you energy and you feel like you're making an impact.

Yeah, no, I mean, I felt like, to be honest, I mean, this is, I felt like I was making a really big impact with what I was doing as well.

Oh, absolutely. But this is like more personal and it just fulfills you even more, I would imagine. Something you said a moment ago really connected with me and it's something I observed. You mentioned sometimes people, get to have tremendous success and they release, I believe in saying release, when they release weight and they get to that whole transformation for themselves, they fall back to the old way. They fall back. And I've heard this said is, is we go back to our comfort zone or, or we have some emotional things that have us go back. Why do you think that happens? Like what's the mindset shift sometimes that people go back and what do they, what do they do? What do they need to do to break free of that?

So, you know, I mean, I, I, I believe really it's just, people don't see the meaning in their lives fully. Yeah. think that's the, that's the key behind this whole thing is a lack of meaning, a lack of purpose, or at least see everyone. I mean, Judaism is very, very clear that everyone has a specific purpose and everyone, the saying is that the day you were born is the day God decided the world can't exist without.

And so we all have a purpose to serve. And we, sometimes we never really realized that I've recognized what my own purpose is, which is to serve and make an impact.

Yes.

And I really believe that's for everybody, honestly.

Well, I think, look, growing up in America, I love America, obviously. I've lived there most of my life. And then we moved to Israel. But in America, success is defined by money and fame. And that doesn't bring you happiness. It doesn't bring you joy or fulfillment in anything you do. And so money is very important. And I think you should have an abundance of money. There's nothing wrong with having an abundance of money. It's really what you do with it and what's important in your life. And what's, you know, these are the things that, that drive people is, is not money. Um, and so that was the, my biggest takeaway was after I read Mansford for me and myself, I had no clue really what I was here to do and how I could serve other people. And I didn't know. And, and, um, if you don't ask the question, you'll never get it. So, uh, yeah, it's not true.

Uh, uh, questions. can be so powerful in our lives. And sometimes we don't have the courage to ask those questions, even though we know those are questions we need to ask ourselves.

It's scary.

What is this true? What is this telling me right now?

Yeah. Now you just talked about, you said, um, you know, comfort and my, my favorite line is there's no growth in the comfort zone. Um, and so it's, it's something that I, I focus on every day. I do, I do things every day to make sure I am uncomfortable just because it's, it means you're growing.

And I have a frog behind me here, a green frog. And Brian Tracy says, eat that frog. So do something that you don't like to do every day, the first thing, and then challenge yourself. Do the hard things. And when you do the hard things, everything becomes easier. And it sounds like to me, along your growth journey, you've done a lot of hard things and ask those questions, like you've said, where you've looked at that personal journey, where you, you know, found your reconnected with your faith and explore Judaism and, and the, that book, which I have to check out in the man's search for meaning. I've heard that reference so many times.

It's someone who was in the concentration camps and basically said, you could not take away my thoughts and my freedom inside. And it was mind-blowing. Viktor Frankl, what an amazing individual. He came out with a theory. I think it's called Logos Theory. And it's that what your mind can dictate, really the state you're in, and it's up to you no matter what you're going through. And the book is an easy read. You can finish it very, very quickly. But it really hit me because I had no clue what I'm here to do. And I was very blown away. So I had a few times when they're these big shifts, but like once I started learning this book called the Tanya, which is a very, it's like a capitalistic Pacific book in the Jewish world. And I started to read that, you know, I thought I was a good guy and I was a good guy.

Yeah.

But it was such a low level of good because once I started reading this book, I was like, Oh my gosh, there's so much more like your thoughts matter. You know, everything, everything you think about matters and is a part of the world. And so, you know, I just, Once I started to learn this, I was like, whoa, I have so much work to do. And I don't know if you know much about Judaism, but it's never-ending learning. The amount of books there are in Judaism, it's never-ending. Just the Talmud itself is like, your whole life you could be spent learning the Talmud, and it's a religion really based on continuous growth.

Yeah. And you get to do this every day and help people on their journey. But also at the same time, I know just besides, you know, helping observant Jews, you're also with just the content you share on Instagram and socially, you're inspiring people, helping people, a domino effect as well. And I can't think of anything better to do. Yeah.

No, I mean, I, I believe like also in, um, with, with my Instagram or what I'm doing Instagram, it's to show people that you can be observant and you can live in any world, any place in life and be a contributing, you know, member of society. Uh, and that's really what I want to hit home for people. And, and, um, I just don't believe there's enough observant, people on, so I mean, understandably, a lot of observing people won't even go online. People, some people don't go online, they don't have smartphones. And so I understand that group, but then there's a lot of other people that do. And I just want my, my goal is to, it's called being a kid is a chef, meaning a, a, um, like showing God's way in a positive light. And that's really my, my job. And I've, I've always worked in, in, so many different industries with different people. I grew up with such a secular, diverse background that I also think that's a unique aspect of me because a lot of these people that are observant, they grew up observant. That's all I know. I know both worlds.

You have the background story. In a lot of ways, the story you're telling me, I can see some similarities with a friend of mine who lived to his late 50s, 60s, and he decided, after living a tremendous life, he had this calling to enter the priesthood, and he became a Roman Catholic priest, and so he had this background of living a life and seeing things in a different perspective, and seeing from all sides. And I was thinking about that yesterday. I climbed a mountain, and you had... Yeah, it was... And so I was thinking, when you go up high, you can see things from another perspective. In life, a lot of times we have to remember that we need to see the perspective, not only our perspective, but from the other perspective, and then the broader view. And so you have that gift because you've had that living in the past where the secular world and all this past, so you can relate and share your journey and story and make an impact. So you have that perspective. that you can see in that broader view and you're anchored because you're asking those questions.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's the most important thing is to ask the hardest question and to really go deep. You have to go deep or else everything else won't give you what you expect it's going to give you.

No, no. And we have these expectations sometimes, and we get a little angry with ourselves because we don't get them sometimes. And then we have to just have the grace to realize that it'll come. It's not our will sometimes. So you've had this incredible journey. What prompted you to pick up and leave the United States and go to Israel?

Yeah, so it really was a dream of my wife's. Yeah. Not mine.

Okay.

And especially before I was observant, there was no, like I visited Israel, but for me, I didn't, I didn't connect at that point because I had no clue what Israel meant to the Jewish people. And once we were married, And as I was growing in Judaism, I really understood the impact and the importance of Israel. Israel is our homeland. Israel is everything to us. We pray every day. All we talk about is Israel. Because it's where we're from. This is our homeland. And so basically, my wife, we went to a wedding. Her brother got married here in Israel. He lives in Israel. And so we went to the wedding. She's like, I want to live in Israel. And I was like, OK. When you're on a high, everyone has these great ideas. And so I said, OK, how about this? If these 10 things happen, they had to be like 10 huge things. If these 10 things happen, we'll go to Israel. And all of a sudden, everything started to check off the list, like the work. It was crazy. I could not even imagine. She asked me before, would you ever live in Israel? I was like, yeah, maybe when we retire or whatever, later in life. So I saw it as, OK, this is where we're going. It was another beautiful thing about it is just like we thought about it. And we didn't want to go to Jerusalem or Tel Aviv because both are huge cities already really built up. We wanted to have an impact. And so we went to the North of Israel, uh, where it's very, very, you know, old school, not built up, has a lot of work to do. Um, because my wife and I have always said like, wherever we go, we want to have an impact. We want to make sure we, we do big things in the community or, you know, business and work in our lives. And, um, I can tell you about what my wife's doing right now. It's crazy. But, um, what is she doing? That was the reason that was the big, the big thing was having an impact, um, and helping to build the land of Israel and the North of Israel really what was, what, what it was. Um, and that was, that was really the goal.

What is that's incredible. What is your wife doing there? So we need to know, don't leave me hanging. Right now downstairs.

there's like a, um, like a work line downstairs of, of women working and putting together food and meals for the soldiers in the North of Israel. And basically what happened was right after October 7th, we got a phone call, uh, and, and people know like, whatever, we do a lot of good for the community. So people know us in terms of having lots of guests for Shabbat. And I don't know how much you know about Shabbat, whatever.

I don't know. So, yeah.

But, um, So they needed kosher meals at a very high level for people that are observant. And because they were stationed here right near us in Spath in the north of Israel. And so there's 20 guys that needed these high standard kosher meals. So my wife was like, okay, let's do it real quickly. She put together for 20 guys, put together this meal for them, and it was good. So in the middle of the week, she gets another call from them saying, hey, we love the food, can you do it again? And she's like, sure. But she's like, okay, but how many people are in your battalion? How many guys or girls are in your group? And he's like, oh, it's 35. She's like, oh, so why don't we just make a nice Shabbat meal for all the people? And he's like, okay, great. So we made it for everyone. And next thing you know, about a month in, we had about, she had 300 people, started 300 soldiers, she started to feed. And it went up to about 550 at a certain point. And now it's been between 200 and 300. I think this week might be more or something, I don't know why. So she's been doing this and it's like, her and the community. So I give credit to her and the community. Basically, it's like started a nonprofit to give these amazing Shabbat meals to soldiers that are not only observant, this is observant, not observant, they might be Jewish, they might not be Jewish, it doesn't matter. It's to give them a home-cooked amazing meal one night and one day. That's the other thing, it's not just one meal, it's two meals. So, you know, for 550 people is really, you know, it's 1,100 meals, you know, 1,200 meals, whatever it may be. So, yeah, she's been doing this since the war.

So there's a line of women down in your house right now making meals.

Yeah.

Wow. Incredible. What an act of love and service, love and service, you know?

Yeah. Yeah. So it's been, yeah, it's been a crazy year and a half, you know, with the war and everything going on. You know, the last part of the side of the war was a lot was here. Um, but we were very, very fortunate. We have a bomb shelter in our house, which is not normal for the North of Israel. Um, Northern Israel is not built up properly. They have a lot of work to do. So we've been very blessed. We had no clue where it was going to happen. I think that's the place we have as a bomb shelter.

So, uh, what sobering thought, you know, I live in, in Eastern Canada. And the last thing on my mind would be doing something of love and service like that, or in having the, the need for a bomb shelter, very sober.

It's not normal. No question about that. It's not normal for most of the, you know, the Western world. Um, but for us, we, we knew like in terms of the mission, we were here to, to, to serve and to help and do our part. And so like, you know, literally people would be here and then like, we hear a siren. So they never have to like, as a kid cooking, but everything now we go to the bombs out there, you know, you wait the time, you put the weight and you come out and it's like, you know, it just, it was just part of life. I mean, the hard thing was for kids. Um, because we have, we have four young kids. Uh, we have basically, you have four kids under six. Um, he just turned six and, um, our oldest. And so that was the harder part. I mean, for the most part, the kids were very, it was, it wasn't so, I would say traumatizing, but there was one time, like my wife went to the park and it happened at the park and they had nowhere to go. So the, the, what you're supposed to do is, you know, you lay down, you put your hands on your head and you lay down. And that was really, that, that scared the kids a lot. It was really real. Um, but, uh, again, we've been very, very blessed to, to not be so, so crazy. There are some days it was very intense and we had to, We slept in the box out there only a few times, but, uh, but yeah, it's, you know, we knew what we were signing up for. We're, we're in a, you know, Israel's in a not great neighborhood, you can say. And, and so, uh, you know, we, we, we knew what we were signing up for.

No, a hundred percent. Not only are you doing these great things to serve, uh, your, your father of four amazing children with, which I know. is a blessing and filled with so much opportunity and challenges and twists and turns. I'm a father of five, so I know how busy your days are and how blessed they can be. So along the way, did you have any mindset shifts where maybe you've, where you went to that place where, Hey, this is difficult. And you found a way to shift your mindset to say, Hey, I can overcome this. And like, have you had any journeys like that?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, um, I think, like I said, when I started to learn about Judaism, I just realized how much work I do. There's a big mindset shift when it came to like thoughts, um, in this book, I was reading it. It's really focused on. thought, speech, and action, and how important those three things are, and ensuring they're all aligned with everything you do. And so that was a big shift then when I had that. I also, this happened when I was early in my 20s, like towards my senior year of college. I had this really weird dream of death, but not in like a really grotesque way, more of just like the plug being pulled and that was it. I think for that, for me, that was also a big mindset shift because I just really was like, okay, what am I here to do? That was a big question then because that led me on my journey to figure out what I want to do with business and what I wanted to get into. That was another time. I'm extremely disciplined. I love all the mind work. Like another time, like for example, when I went to, I moved to Arizona to live with my brother. Yeah, it's beautiful. I moved out there to live with my brother and he had a pool and he was like, Hey, I'm, I'm, I was like, I'm going to jump in every day because as a kid growing up in the East coast, you know, you only had summertime to go to the pool and it wasn't that frequent, but it was like your favorite time. You know, you love going to your friends and family, you know, cousins and stuff. So I always had great memories of the pool. So I was like, Evan, I'm jumping in every day. He's like, no, you're not. I was like, what do you mean? like it gets freezing in the winter, and it literally goes below freezing. And the pool is going to be, you know, in the 40s, like the water, the water temperature. And I was like, I don't care, I'm doing it. I was like, bet me. He's like, no, I'm not betting you. And like, so I always have been one to like, take on challenges. So he wouldn't bet me, but I was like, okay, I'm gonna do it every day. And so I just did. And so like, this was before cold plunges, by the way. This is before Wim Hof. This is before it was a cool thing.

Yeah. Yeah. You're setting the trend early. So yeah.

It was 2012.

2012, 2011, 2012.

Yes. Yes. Way before the ice plunge, that ice challenge. Yeah.

And so, but what I realized was it was just a mental game and I love the mental game. And so.

Oh, yeah. So, so true. The biggest battle you have sometimes is your own thoughts. Like, even for me yesterday, I climbed one of the higher peaks in my province. I snowshoed, and there was that voice inside me saying, no, turn around. And I said, no, you drove two hours to do this. You were going. And so you just have to tell that other voice. no i'm in the driver's seat you put that other voice in the passenger it can be a steady a guidepost to keep you observant and mindful, but that voice needs to be quiet and not driving your life. So you have that mindset shift to put that other voice to the side.

That's also one of the things that I learned through Judaism is that we have these two souls. We have an animal soul and we have a godly soul. The animal soul wants what's comfortable. And it wants you not to do things that are going to be positive in the world, that are going to make you go out of your comfort zone, that are going to be giving of yourself. And so it's very similar is that you have, it's called the evil inclination or the animal soul. But what it does is it, it wants to hold you back. It doesn't want you to succeed. And it's very, very tricky. It's very smart because the more you grow, the more it grows. And so what happens is as you grow from level to level, you're like, oh, it's enough. And a perfect example of this is like, you know, with the learning that, you know, we're doing in the coaching that we have with, you know, Dan, there was a, there was a big mindset set for me as well, because I've always worked very hard, but there's, there's always levels. And, you know, there was a level with my workout where I was like, you know, I'm, I'm good. I'm doing it. I do the, I do the work, but that was, I realized my inclination, not wanting to be even get better. And so now like I've taken my workouts to another level, I'm taking everything to another level because I just want to be the best version of myself that can give and do as much so that I can serve. And so I'm going to do whatever it takes. Um, and so it's just, yeah.

Yeah. A hundred percent. I it's, I think of that is so true when you think of a child, when they're born, I always believed my number one job was to keep my sons from killing themselves, no fear. But there's also that huge curiosity that children have. And I believe when we're born, we have that natural godly instinct to be the best version. And then as we grow, we start that animal instinct, which you described, slowly grows more powerful. So the challenge is to really Push yourself to be the best version of you, to be the person that you need it most, and show up. What Sebastian Rusk says, and I've since adopted this, is who's missing out because you're not showing up in all aspects of your life? And if you're not showing up to be the best version of you to serve somebody and help somebody and be that person you need it most, then you're holding back and declining the world of who you are and ultimately helping somebody when you have it in you. And we have to keep pushing ourselves on that growth journey.

Yeah, I agree 100%. That's a great way of saying it. We have so much to give. don't realize the impact that they can really have on the world.

100%.

And so what would you say to somebody that's on their growth journey and mindset shifts? What would be your recommendation to give somebody to consider to do?

Yeah, I mean, for me, it's very simple. Whatever you're most afraid of, you should do. And so for me, for example, I'm scared of heights. So I said, okay, I'm going to do a bunch of jumping and I'm going to jump out of a plane. So, you know, I'm very scared of heights. I really have an issue with it, but I did it. Awesome. I was scared of security, you know, and making sure, you know, with work that like, you know, I'm taught from a young age, you need security, you need to have benefits and all these things. And so I said, what am I like? Am I really gonna go through my life thinking like this? And so when I left the corporate world, I just, I went all in and I just took the biggest leap and I'm doing it now too, which is even crazier because before it was just me. For me, it's easy. I don't care. I don't care. I can eat anything. I can sleep on a hard floor. I don't care. I can do whatever I gotta do.

Now you have a wife and four children. Now I have a family.

I have a whole family I'm taking care of. So not to mention an army we're helping.

You got a big family.

Yeah. So, you know, To do it this time, now at this time in my life where it's like, now I'm going all in on me even more, it's scary. But I love to push the boundaries and whatever you're most afraid of, you just gotta face. And I think that's the number one thing is just ask the tough questions and really face it because the last thing, like the biggest regret, I think this is what led me on my journey is like this fear of death, is like the biggest regret is you get to the end, you're like, why didn't I try that or do that? And I think that shift again, in terms of looking in the future and saying, what's the worst thing that can happen? Like, okay, if I have to, I can always go back to the job. I can always like, whatever. I never needed to, but I don't plan on it.

You can go back. My father always said to me, do what you love to do. Don't be concerned about the money. Do what you love to do. And another thing that I really started to embrace in the last few years, because I believe I've become more confident and assured of myself, the worst thing somebody is going to say is no. You can always go back and have another crack at the bat. It's really tremendous, that whole journey that we have with ourselves. I don't know if you ever follow Ed Mayette, but he says... I like Ed Mayette, yeah, he's very good. Incredible man. He says, at the end of your life... He believes that the best possible version of you is waiting, and they're waiting to see you and cheer you on and say, hey, man, I was waiting for you. You did that thing. You lived up your potential. And hopefully, you meet that version of you that you were destined to become because you kept pushing and doing those hard things and stretching yourself. So I'm really striving for that. And I can tell that you are as well. just unlimited potential that you have.

Yeah, I just don't want to leave anything in the tank. I want to make sure I give it all and do it all and just leave my mark, whatever that's going to be.

100%.

So I like asking this to all of my guests, Nathan. I think I know one of your books, Man's Search for Meaning, but are there any specific books that have helped you with your mindset that you'd like to share with our audience?

Yeah. Um, I'm trying to think of other really big influential books. So I said, I mean, the Jewish book is called the Tanya, but that's, um, you know, it's, it's not a normal book that most people read. Yeah. But I also loved, um, everything from like Daniel pink. Um, he had some, some good books on mindset. Uh, I also like, I really like, uh, uh, what's his name?

Actually, I have it right here.

Joe Dispenza. Joe Dispenza. I really like Joe Dispenza. He's really good in terms of a lot of mindset stuff. These are some of my favorite books here, but Crucial Conversations. Daniel Pink is a whole new mind.

Oh, yeah. I read that. That's incredible. Yeah.

But those are some of my favorites. And then also, I mean, business book was E-Myth. Uh, that was like, uh, that was one of my favorites that started a lot. And actually he was one of my mentors, Michael Gerber back in the day.

Oh, you had Michael as one of your mentors. Incredible. Yeah.

Yeah. It was pretty, uh, pretty amazing when I was special.

Yeah. So Nathan, how, how can our audience find you and, uh, and connect with you?

Yeah. So the easiest is Instagram and Hoffman only up, uh, or my website, which is only up.me.

OnlyUp.me, okay? I'd love to connect. Yeah.

The reason for the me, I don't know if you know the quote by Hillel, in Ethics of Our Fathers, if I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what am I? If not now, when? And so the reason I named it .me is that I really truly believe that you need to be the best version of yourself to give over whatever it is you're here to give. And so a lot of people just try to do, and it's important to do, but it's very hard to just do without knowing who you are and what drives you and what motivates you. So that's why the meat aspect is important, who you are as a soul level, not just the ego side of it. It's really what you're here to do and accomplish. And that's why I named it that, and it's something that's very important.

Incredible. Nathan. I really appreciate our conversation today. This has been incredible. It's impacted my life, and I know our audience as well. to everyone listening, the highest compliment you could give us and especially give Nathan is share this because there's so much we unpacked today that I know will make an impact and help somebody in their own journey in their life. And that would be the biggest compliment that Nathan could receive by sharing his message and connecting with him. And I'm thankful that I'm connected with Nathan. And it's been such a pleasure to have you today, Nathan. I'm so thankful for this. Thank you.

Thank you, Brad. I really appreciate the conversation. And thank you so much for doing what you do and getting this out to everyone.

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